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listeners welcome to this week's show at

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this moment some of you might be

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wondering who the hell is this guy me

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Dean aliero and what have they done with

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your host of 10 Years sir Martin Willis

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well let me explain

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a few days ago I received a text from

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Martin saying two things one he had to

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have heart surgery and two would I fill

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in for him on his podcast while he

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recovered I had hoped the text was a

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joke since the idea of Martin needing

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the heart is kind of like the Tin Man

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needing the heart Martin's heart is one

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of the biggest I know of

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um well as you can see he wasn't joking

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and I can tell you his surgery was a

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great success however I'm not so sure

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about the gender reassignment surgery he

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scheduled simultaneously

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but smart ass jokes like that one is why

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I'm guessing Martin tapped me to fill in

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for him to amuse himself while he uh

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gets better and hopefully entertain his

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smart wonderful listeners as well so for

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those of you who don't know me I'm a

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filmmaker I made the first found footage

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film The McPherson tape and the UPN

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remake alien abduction instantly County

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both of which happened to be about you

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guessed it UFO aliens in general

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then about four years ago I spoke at my

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film's 25th anniversary at the

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international UFO Congress convention

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which by the way tickets for this

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month's Congress are 20 off with this

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code and this is Owen capitals i u f o c

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20

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um since my appearance at the convention

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I got sucked into the proverbial UFO

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rabbit hole and spent the last 14 years

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working on an epic three-part science

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documentary series about yes UFO and

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aliens this is a Premiere series and

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we'll be coming out next year here and I

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promise you it'll be a whole new take on

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the UFO phenomenon but right now I'd

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like to introduce Our Guest who's also

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in my new documentary and who was

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patient zero in the now famous Navy Tic

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Tac UFO encounter Navy Senior Chief

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operations radar specialist Kevin day

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was getting ready to retire when I'm

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literally his last real world intercept

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he saw something on his radar

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instrumentation that was not normal to

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say the least Kevin welcome aboard sir

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thank you Dean in my um my heart my

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Goodwill goes out to Martin today I hope

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he recovers well

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yeah I um I got a chance to speak with

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them since his uh surgery and uh his

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humor is still intact so yeah and if

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he's listening if he's listening tonight

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hey Martin hang in there brother

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hang in there absolutely

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um so Kevin first of all how are you we

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haven't spoke I mean we checked in

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before we were going to do the podcast

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but we haven't really spoke since uh I

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put you in front of my camera and

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interrogated you how are you you know I

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have to tell you do you know I've never

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been a religious person but there's not

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a day goes by that I don't thank God

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and many times a day too for what

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happened in the journey that I

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that I went on to get here

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it's awesome beyond words

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well I'm looking forward

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into that

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um but first I have to back up a little

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bit and ask you a question that I'm sure

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you get asked a lot

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um because you're part of the Navy Elite

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I need to ask you

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how tall is Tom Cruise like five nine

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met him in person but I've heard he's

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about five nine and a half something

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actually sat next to him at a screening

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of I think it was night and day and um

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I'm gonna go with five five for 400 uh

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Trebek five five okay

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yeah he's probably about five seven

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um but anyway go ahead yeah um so here I

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go back to um

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who before the Tic Tac encounter I I

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kind of am curious and I didn't get a

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chance to ask you this when we did the

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documentary

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um what what made you want to get into

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the Navy in the first place

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well in throughout High School I was I

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wasn't a nerd but I wasn't like a real

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popular kid but I was always a kid in

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search and rescue and I like to go

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camping and stuff like that all the time

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outdoors guy and I was on the search and

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rescue team so I graduated and I kind of

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kicked around for a while and I you know

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after high school I went to Australia so

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joining and I'm happy I did I'll tell

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you that had an awesome career

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when you join did you specifically seek

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out the radar department or were there

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kind of considering first how did you

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end up well you know when when a person

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person is evaluated from the start based

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on your education level and um all kinds

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of stuff in your performance and boot

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camp and everything and at the end of

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all that you're offered some choices so

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what do you want to do

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and at that point I did choose um the

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operation specialist rating it sounded

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very interesting to me and I pursued it

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specialist a school right out of boot

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camp and it was during the height of the

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build up and there was a three classes

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going on and there was two day classes

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there was a thing called the honor grad

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and if you got the undergrad position

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you got to pick your orders were you

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what ship you got to or where you're you

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know where you're gonna go

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because the orders become available they

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disperse this out into the fleet

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and I was able to graduate number one

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out of 90 people

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wow I got I got to choose orders and I

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chose the Vincennes out of um San Diego

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have to I mean since I brought it up it

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was my very first deployment because

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there's people listening that are going

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to wonder

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um had nothing to do with it

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you know I was I was there and I was

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standing right because my general

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quarter station had me right behind the

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captain on a station called jobs it was

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and I was there right behind him when he

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turned the key to shoot down the Airbus

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and that that moment that moment changed

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me because I decided then I was going to

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become the best damn air defense watch

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standard the Navy's ever produced

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because I never wanted to see that

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so I dedicated my life to protecting

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commercial airliners

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um so you kind of got thrown to the deep

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end pretty quick it sounds like yeah

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did so you're working in this Division

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and you're you're now in it so so when

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did you officially become someone that's

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you know full on doing you know radar uh

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uh you're you know from the from the

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moment you first joined you're doing

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not porting starboard which is you know

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eight on eight off eight on it oh it

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never stops or there's three sections

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center you are sitting behind a radar

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scope usually yeah and the way it's set

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up you got the surface side and you got

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the errors side that's kind of separated

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so from the moment you arrive you are

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operating radar and one of the reasons

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why I chose the Vincennes because it was

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encounters went down I had 15 and a half

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years of actual sea time behind that

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radar system so that by the time you got

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information center and we were getting

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and these things all disappeared off the

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the same spot coming through for a

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second Kevin go ahead

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um what I really want to hear is

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something that that I don't know that

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you've kind of spoken to

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um before which is

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aliens what was your your take on that

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I was probably the least likely person

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to ever find these on radar

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I'd never seen anything anomalous in my

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entire time in the Navy not that I was

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close-minded to it I've been listening

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to Coast to Coast AM since I can

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remember you know for many many many

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so I've always had an interest

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um but I was never a UFO guy especially

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with my job I had to be pretty sober and

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straight stick when it came to radar

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operation right and

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get the job done so this was a first for

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as I'm sure it was for everyone else or

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you were open you were you were kind of

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and when it's right in your face you

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can't you don't have any other choice to

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be open to it now right so so let me ask

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you now when I take you to the moment

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that you're looking at your radar

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yeah and something shows up and right

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away you're thinking okay these are

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contacts that we have I'm guessing

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you're like is this one of the ours or

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is this

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um you know an ally or Worse what take

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me through the discovery of that first

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of all are you are you seated that

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moment what time was it

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the the way I was well not I but the way

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we were processing this within the um

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internal confines of the ship

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is we at the time thought it was totally

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civilian related and they didn't even

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know we were down here

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however they were if if that was the

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case it was supposed to have been

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published in the notice to air Mariners

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so we okay that's them and they're doing

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their thing and we don't need to worry

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about it that was missing

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however comma

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um we weren't that concerned because we

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all the ships out there were tracking

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them on The Radars and we were reporting

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the data back to the beach

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so whoever wanted it had it back on the

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beach

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and

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um there was no air there was no

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aircraft on the Nimitz we weren't flying

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yet

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and they came off they descended from

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low low earth orbit 80 000 feet down to

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28 000 feet track South right through

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the operating area

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until the day the night um

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the early morning of the 14th Air Wing

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flags and bar 13th Air Wing flies on

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board and we're getting ready for their

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defense exercise on the 14th

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and that's when I be Kevin day became

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concerned because I didn't want to run

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into one of these things so Captain

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Smith comes down to combat I said Hey

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sir you know we've been tracking these

329
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things I highly recommend we intercept

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one I don't want to run into one I don't

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um so you're saying tracking these

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things in your mind what are these

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things have you made the crossover to

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USD no I'm no no no not not even close

335
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I'm thinking there's some civilian

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uh test project of some kind

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because you got to remember they had

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they're going real estate

339
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the only thing weird about them

340
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what was that I said uh just letting the

341
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listeners know that that's your wind

342
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chimes

343
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um okay yeah clanking away there was

344
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nothing UAP about him at the time you

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got to remember these we were off the

346
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coast they were going real slow and they

347
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we technically call them unknown error

348
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contacts that's the actual name for them

349
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okay and they're moving slow enough that

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you thought at that moment that these

351
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are these could be balloons right

352
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I never thought they were balloons

353
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personally

354
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what did you think that it's moving well

355
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because I had good radar I had the

356
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highest possible track quality on these

357
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things the entire time the highest

358
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possible radar quality if you will

359
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because before we even brought down we

360
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even brought down the systems just in

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case it was a

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malfunction and all the ships brought

363
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down the system we brought all the

364
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systems back up and we were tracking

365
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them even better now so you re-bit this

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is reboot booted the system tracks the

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over the course of the if I had to add

368
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up between around the the 10th and say

369
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the 20th 10 days

370
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all the different groups we've that we

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tracked it was about 100 of these

372
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contacts total if you added it all they

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appear between five and ten at a time on

374
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different days different times if you

375
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added them all up they're about 100 of

376
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them okay so maybe that maybe the

377
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balloon thing was a mick West

378
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um theory that snuck in yeah well you

379
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know what my mind's opened okay it's a

380
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possible three or what happened next uh

381
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kind of rolls out pretty much all of

382
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that anyway so you've got these context

383
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you want to go take a look so at this

384
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moment it's still possibly Prozac

385
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right okay so that's what I'm thinking

386
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yeah Mr want to run into one safety of

387
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flight I'm thinking you know I'm

388
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concerned about safety or flight and

389
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there's about to be was this before or

390
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after actually you know what I think we

391
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missed a beat because it was the night

392
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before when you reached out to Sean

393
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Cahill is that correct and said hey get

394
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the big eyes

395
00:15:58,269 --> 00:15:56,459
on this and oh yeah we were he was up he

396
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was standing watch on the bridge

397
00:16:03,290 --> 00:16:01,800
let's talk about that even me I would I

398
00:16:05,650 --> 00:16:03,300
would go up to combat and I'd get the

399
00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:05,660
bearing in range to a group

400
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and I'd find him on I'd find him on the

401
00:16:13,129 --> 00:16:11,279
uh big eye binoculars oh there it is but

402
00:16:14,810 --> 00:16:13,139
the the ship watch standards were seeing

403
00:16:16,910 --> 00:16:14,820
them all the time of course

404
00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:16,920
but I was down a combat information

405
00:16:20,689 --> 00:16:19,380
center most of the time so yeah Sean was

406
00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:20,699
getting

407
00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:22,740
um feeds on where they were when he was

408
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standing watch yep and he said something

409
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:28,860
to the effect by the way John Sean Sean

410
00:16:34,370 --> 00:16:31,440
Cahill is great people by the way Sean

411
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is the man Sean is yes definitely good

412
00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:35,639
people

413
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um so Sean said something to the effect

414
00:16:42,889 --> 00:16:40,920
of what am I looking at

415
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:42,899
and he was a little more colorful I

416
00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:45,120
think than that when he was looking up

417
00:16:49,009 --> 00:16:46,620
because you didn't tell him anything you

418
00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:49,019
said hey can you get eyes on this tell

419
00:16:54,829 --> 00:16:52,440
me what his his um communique was to you

420
00:16:56,990 --> 00:16:54,839
uh you know I probably don't remember

421
00:16:59,150 --> 00:16:57,000
well enough to sit here and tell lies

422
00:17:01,550 --> 00:16:59,160
about it now but

423
00:17:03,470 --> 00:17:01,560
you know at the time I think everyone

424
00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:03,480
was thinking there was these were still

425
00:17:08,990 --> 00:17:06,540
prosaic until the moment when Commander

426
00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:09,000
fast Eagle fight intercepted

427
00:17:14,270 --> 00:17:11,640
that's when everything changed that

428
00:17:16,490 --> 00:17:14,280
moment everything changed okay so let's

429
00:17:18,169 --> 00:17:16,500
take now let's move back to Captain so

430
00:17:20,510 --> 00:17:18,179
you you tell your captain hey I think

431
00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:20,520
it's a good idea to get on this and he

432
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:21,480
says

433
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,000
do it you're right Senior Chief

434
00:17:28,429 --> 00:17:27,120
intercept and Visually ID vid it so I'm

435
00:17:30,190 --> 00:17:28,439
like hell yeah because that's what I

436
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,200
wanted all along right so

437
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:32,640
during all this of course the air Wing's

438
00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:33,600
launching off because we're getting

439
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:35,820
ready to set up our for the air defense

440
00:17:40,850 --> 00:17:38,160
exercise I was going to pre-position

441
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,860
uh different flights on these combat Air

442
00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:42,960
Patrol points between

443
00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:43,500
um

444
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,480
between us out here and the ocean and

445
00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:47,039
the notional threat on the beach right

446
00:17:51,230 --> 00:17:48,900
we're going to play war

447
00:17:52,610 --> 00:17:51,240
so fast equal zero one happens the

448
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:52,620
launch it was happened to be Commander

449
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:54,240
fraver he always did that he was that

450
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,919
kind of guy another one of the best damn

451
00:17:59,870 --> 00:17:57,600
Pilots any of you've ever produced by

452
00:18:02,330 --> 00:17:59,880
the way so we can't control them we said

453
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:02,340
Can X exercise real real tasking he says

454
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:05,760
Roger so we we Vector him I'm standing

455
00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:07,200
you know we got the

456
00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:09,299
the air side Everyone's Watching radar

457
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:10,980
but I'm the senior guy and I'm doing

458
00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:12,840
training and everything analysis all

459
00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:15,000
that so I'm on a long I'm on a headset

460
00:18:18,409 --> 00:18:16,380
with a long cord and I'm walking in

461
00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:18,419
between watch stations and the actual

462
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:20,700
air controller is right below me right

463
00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:23,039
so he takes control of them and we point

464
00:18:27,890 --> 00:18:24,960
him to where this the closest object is

465
00:18:29,570 --> 00:18:27,900
and as soon as he's in the this what we

466
00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:29,580
call the merge plot position which is

467
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:31,320
the same object on the radar and the

468
00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:33,120
same vertical piece of sky

469
00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:34,740
that object or whatever the hell it was

470
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:37,860
Dean drops from 28 000 feet down to the

471
00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:40,080
surface of the water I found out the

472
00:18:46,930 --> 00:18:42,900
morning the next day in .78 seconds

473
00:18:49,390 --> 00:18:46,940
wow less than a second no Sonic booms

474
00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:49,400
simultaneously while fravers out there

475
00:18:55,370 --> 00:18:52,140
basically playing with this thing dog

476
00:18:57,049 --> 00:18:55,380
fighting almost uh yeah yeah so now when

477
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,059
you're seeing this do that

478
00:19:00,650 --> 00:18:59,039
I just I'm really curious the moment

479
00:19:02,930 --> 00:19:00,660
when you go

480
00:19:06,049 --> 00:19:02,940
oh I guess I can swear on this oh

481
00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:06,059
right right then right then right and

482
00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:09,720
then and even more amazing right so he

483
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,640
gets down there he chases it down and

484
00:19:15,049 --> 00:19:13,200
the thing like you said does a little

485
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:15,059
dog fight with him and all of a sudden

486
00:19:19,610 --> 00:19:16,559
this object whatever it was and this is

487
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,620
his words not mine it disappears right

488
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,120
in front of him

489
00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:23,280
that's that's what he said

490
00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:25,260
and we're sitting on back on the ships

491
00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:27,660
and we're watching this object and it it

492
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:29,220
it disappeared right in front of him and

493
00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:32,880
reappeared on Fast Eagle zero ones that

494
00:19:36,650 --> 00:19:35,100
assigned count combat Air Patrol station

495
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,660
and remember there I think we had seven

496
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:39,360
of them but it went to theirs to their

497
00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:41,880
cap yeah they didn't go to anyone else's

498
00:19:45,049 --> 00:19:43,740
it went to their assigned are you

499
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,059
hearing on your colleagues are you

500
00:19:49,789 --> 00:19:47,520
hearing favor as well yeah we haven't

501
00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:49,799
been the speaker in fact when he did the

502
00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:51,660
intercept when he when he became to the

503
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:53,820
merge plot on the speaker all of a

504
00:19:59,390 --> 00:19:56,460
sudden we hear oh my God oh my God I'm

505
00:20:03,049 --> 00:19:59,400
engaged I'm engaged just like that

506
00:20:08,770 --> 00:20:03,059
yeah so at that moment he was shocked

507
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:11,930
so are you thinking at this moment oh my

508
00:20:18,409 --> 00:20:15,360
God we're tracking one of these uaps

509
00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:18,419
which I probably knew as a UFO not UAP

510
00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:20,280
yeah

511
00:20:26,090 --> 00:20:22,980
um oh my God we have one of these things

512
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,100
so were you kind of when you started to

513
00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:27,840
suspect that that was happening was was

514
00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:29,700
you know were you just kind of going oh

515
00:20:34,430 --> 00:20:32,940
God please let this be something wild

516
00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:34,440
like this were you thinking were you

517
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:35,880
hoping a little bit right before it

518
00:20:40,669 --> 00:20:38,640
became clear that it was something else

519
00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:40,679
you know what I was thinking probably at

520
00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:42,780
the moment I was thinking oh dear God

521
00:20:45,070 --> 00:20:44,280
please don't let this thing get mad at

522
00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:45,080
us

523
00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,590
no we're out there in a training

524
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,580
environment with no ornaments at all

525
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,440
because we don't want to kill people and

526
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,600
Break Stuff accidentally right so in

527
00:21:02,210 --> 00:20:59,520
training we never have that stuff unless

528
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,220
we're doing a scheduled fireworks or

529
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,080
something right it's different we're not

530
00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:06,000
doing that we're out here

531
00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:08,340
doing the air defense exercise

532
00:21:12,909 --> 00:21:10,919
so even if we had wanted to defend

533
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:12,919
ourselves

534
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:16,320
and so it's displaying such an awesome

535
00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:19,919
level of power that you quickly realize

536
00:21:24,169 --> 00:21:21,960
um you know we've shown up to a uh a

537
00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:24,179
gunfight with a knife there you go good

538
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:28,200
way to put it yep yeah okay and then so

539
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:31,740
now it is what it is now it's kind of

540
00:21:36,409 --> 00:21:33,960
like okay so at this point on I'm just

541
00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:36,419
curious what is your emotional like what

542
00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:38,220
is a timeline so you get that how are

543
00:21:42,590 --> 00:21:40,200
you feeling emotionally are you telling

544
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,600
are you you know conversing with with

545
00:21:45,529 --> 00:21:44,159
your other operators and stuff or with

546
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,539
the captain is everyone kind of on the

547
00:21:51,049 --> 00:21:48,240
page that oh my God he's now engaged

548
00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:51,059
with something that's out of the the

549
00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:52,740
book I forgot what is the name of the

550
00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:55,380
book that has all the aeronautical um

551
00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:57,659
James pennison talks about it there's a

552
00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:59,460
book that has all of them like you're

553
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,020
pretty well versed with everything every

554
00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:03,840
kind of error there's lots of books yeah

555
00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:08,100
yeah so when it's no longer in that book

556
00:22:12,049 --> 00:22:10,380
what what are you what do you guys what

557
00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:12,059
is a communication like the private

558
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:13,860
communication between you you guys as

559
00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:15,480
this is going on the stuff that you

560
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:17,580
cover the mic and go blah blah blah blah

561
00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:21,059
holy well you know what um

562
00:22:24,669 --> 00:22:23,820
to be totally honest about it

563
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:24,679
um

564
00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:26,940
although we were all highly trained in

565
00:22:31,010 --> 00:22:28,500
what we did and stuff all of us had our

566
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:31,020
individuals Specialties and jobs

567
00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:33,000
beyond that we were just regular normal

568
00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:33,900
people

569
00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:36,419
with normal we take kids to school get

570
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:38,100
them there on time and go to work try to

571
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:40,140
get there on time or just like anyone

572
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:41,280
else right

573
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:43,740
so our reaction after this was probably

574
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,380
very similar to the reaction on a bus

575
00:22:51,649 --> 00:22:48,000
full of people

576
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,659
that you know the average is any other

577
00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:53,280
average person seeing these things you

578
00:22:57,529 --> 00:22:55,320
know the post the post um

579
00:23:00,370 --> 00:22:57,539
effect of it if you will the post

580
00:23:02,510 --> 00:23:00,380
effects Yes

581
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:02,520
actually yeah the post effects about

582
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,600
this is pretty cool stuff yeah so

583
00:23:12,610 --> 00:23:09,600
um so as as like Dr John Mack calls it

584
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:12,620
ontological shock

585
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:15,679
Molly Davis yeah

586
00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:19,799
and into that and especially for you

587
00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:21,419
guys I feel for you more than any other

588
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:24,620
eyewitnesses on the planet because

589
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,020
you're going through this shock

590
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:30,720
defending indeed indeed if I could if I

591
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:33,240
could stop either real quick and if if I

592
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,860
do get the opportunity and I'm I'm

593
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,840
called to serve and go before Congress

594
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:38,880
and give my testimony what you just said

595
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:41,280
is one of the key things I want to say

596
00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:46,490
when this thing happened and I went on

597
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,080
and I went to DOD and I started screwing

598
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:50,640
it all up because I couldn't really deal

599
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:52,919
with this so I wrote I wrote that short

600
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,780
story to see her and published it in

601
00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:57,120
sailor's Anthology just in case and I

602
00:24:00,890 --> 00:23:58,500
published it in the Library of Congress

603
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,900
and in February 2009

604
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:02,880
just in case this story ever became

605
00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:04,440
public that my little book would be

606
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:05,880
proof it really happened and I went on

607
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:07,080
with life

608
00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:09,720
and I started to change man I ended up

609
00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:11,280
in the wilderness out here if you can

610
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,380
believe that I went from Top Gun DOD guy

611
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:15,120
and I'm living in the freaking

612
00:24:18,610 --> 00:24:16,620
Wilderness and everyone around me is

613
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:18,620
like what in the hell happened to Kevin

614
00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:21,419
my entire family was convinced they had

615
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:23,700
gone insane but what actually had

616
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:26,580
happened to me is I became obsessed

617
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:28,980
with this notion that I could find the

618
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,900
source to a family gold mining claim the

619
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:32,400
100 year old claim we still have in the

620
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:34,440
family 160 Acres

621
00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:37,380
and boy howdy did I

622
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:40,200
sorry I say I think I sent you my

623
00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:42,600
research you did I want to unpack this

624
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:45,480
yeah well just to finish it off for

625
00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:47,400
those if there's anyone out there who

626
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:50,280
still hasn't heard the Tic Tac encounter

627
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:53,280
um at this point forever comes back

628
00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:57,299
commander fraver and he's he didn't have

629
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:00,419
any recording devices uh to the level

630
00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:03,299
that that everyone was interested in in

631
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:05,820
capturing footage of and so Chad

632
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:08,280
Underwood he goes out he heads out and

633
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:09,360
he gets

634
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:12,780
the footage that we see now

635
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:17,159
um so he's able to record that and now

636
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,620
it's you guys have confirmation from

637
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:21,059
what I understand the next day you were

638
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:23,940
able to see a snippet low grade because

639
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,860
it was compressed it's supposed to be on

640
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,840
the server so you could get it

641
00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:29,760
um and then there were there is and this

642
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:31,080
has been going on forever the talk about

643
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,960
a longer section of footage

644
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:35,760
um but the thing I want to touch about

645
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,279
before we get into the aftermath of this

646
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:41,760
is um that you didn't see anyone come on

647
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,380
board there's a lot of rumors of people

648
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:45,120
like Men In Black someone all of a

649
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:46,500
sudden shows up and takes the bricks as

650
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:49,080
they call them takes the hard drives

651
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,279
it just was gone it was removed from all

652
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:54,840
the communications that you guys had

653
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:58,020
even was removed correct

654
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,460
um

655
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:01,919
my my personal experience with what

656
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,900
happened was the next morning because I

657
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,000
was a major I was a primary message

658
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:08,340
writer for the ship you know operational

659
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:10,140
messages I would draft them and then I

660
00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:11,460
would route them up the chain of command

661
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:12,840
the captain would release them they'd

662
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:14,279
become message traffic

663
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:16,020
so I went up to combat

664
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:17,279
um combat information instead of the

665
00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:18,179
next morning I was going to write an

666
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,799
after action report on what happened the

667
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:20,880
day before

668
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:23,340
and the computer tech comes up I said

669
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:25,799
hey uh hit after Voorhees I'd like to

670
00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:27,900
see the data on everything because so I

671
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:29,940
can write a message like we always do

672
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,179
and he pulls me aside real real calmly

673
00:26:37,789 --> 00:26:35,340
and he was emotional this is Gary Gary

674
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:37,799
Voorhees yeah he was emotional I said

675
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:39,000
what's wrong man

676
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:40,980
he said you're not going to believe this

677
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,380
here Chief I said what he said somebody

678
00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:45,120
came on board our ship last night and

679
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:46,860
took everything

680
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:57,289
why is this hitting you so hard Kevin

681
00:27:03,649 --> 00:26:59,870
it just brings back some cool memories

682
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:03,659
and I'm so freaking blessed to have had

683
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:06,059
this journey you won't even believe it

684
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:07,440
and

685
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:11,520
I say that I want to get back to the

686
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,260
point I was making

687
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,380
this thing changes you and it profoundly

688
00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:18,419
changed me and I've sent in my research

689
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:21,000
and that that just for the listeners uh

690
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:22,679
NASA itself is interested in my

691
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:24,900
geological research right off the coast

692
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,659
out here in on in the kelmiopsis

693
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:29,520
wilderness

694
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:32,880
um it's ancient it's a 157 million year

695
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,860
old um spreading arcs from the mid-ocean

696
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:36,779
spreading arcs in this loaded full of

697
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:38,580
rare Earth elements

698
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,919
and I found it yeah I described it and I

699
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:42,720
found it but anyway let me get back let

700
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:44,460
me get back to my point real real quick

701
00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:46,679
real quick when this was happening I

702
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,539
didn't know that I was being changing my

703
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:51,120
fear is if there was a mass encounter

704
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,860
and everybody on the planet started

705
00:27:57,049 --> 00:27:54,539
changing like Kevin they did and no one

706
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:57,059
knew what the hell was happening that

707
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:58,980
might not end so well

708
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,620
that's a boy there needs to be education

709
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:04,380
about this that's my message before

710
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,260
Congress we need to start public

711
00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:09,480
education about what can happen if you

712
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:11,580
contact these things and don't be afraid

713
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,980
because the contact will make you better

714
00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:16,080
you'll get new Inspirations you'll get

715
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:17,820
new talents to go with it you'll get new

716
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:20,700
Hub sessions you'll get new create it

717
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,440
changes you in a better way but if you

718
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,000
don't know it's happening

719
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,640
it can end up not well for you like it

720
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,799
has a many many many many people

721
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,720
throughout time

722
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:32,640
it didn't end up

723
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,640
it's it's interesting for for me as

724
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:36,960
someone who

725
00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:39,000
I've actually I'm emotional because it's

726
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:40,400
important

727
00:28:45,409 --> 00:28:43,140
well you you were able to to kind of

728
00:28:46,909 --> 00:28:45,419
take it on in a way that if you're

729
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,919
feeling this way and you're someone

730
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,900
who's trained for emergency situations

731
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,360
and and situations that are not planned

732
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:53,760
that's that's all your your training is

733
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:55,380
is for when the you know what hits the

734
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:57,419
fan how to unplug it

735
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:59,100
um or turn it down

736
00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:01,140
um then I get you being able to take in

737
00:29:05,149 --> 00:29:03,480
the weight of that for for me speaking

738
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,159
for myself I'm someone who's never seen

739
00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:07,679
a UFO that I'm aware of

740
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,620
um and um

741
00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:12,960
and I find that it's still it's the

742
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,700
ultimate question you don't have to have

743
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:16,799
been an experiencer

744
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:20,340
um to to appreciate the fact that um you

745
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:22,200
know we are not alone or to see in other

746
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,700
people's faces I mean

747
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,799
when I interviewed you this is I think

748
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:28,020
2019

749
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:29,640
um my background had been doing crime

750
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,500
shows and I've done like a thousand

751
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,480
interviews and from interviewing you

752
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:35,460
know perps victims

753
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:36,480
um

754
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:42,840
get a BS detector after a while and one

755
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:44,220
of the things that really blew me away

756
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:46,260
is that I'm staring down looking at you

757
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:47,220
guys

758
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,620
and not a blip is going off

759
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:51,539
and I almost feel like through osmosis

760
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:54,779
I'm feeling your reality and even that

761
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,279
was

762
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,039
um palpable in a way that I remember

763
00:30:03,649 --> 00:30:00,960
telling my girlfriend ali

764
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:03,659
um when I came back from the convention

765
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,980
the international UFO Congress

766
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:06,240
convention I said

767
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:09,899
I can't argue I can't find you know um

768
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,299
workarounds or as we said prosaic

769
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:14,820
explanations for this so I I have to

770
00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:16,140
look at the evidence and I'm not a

771
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:19,380
debunker or or a skeptic more so I'm an

772
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:20,460
analyst

773
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:22,679
I need to look at the data and then you

774
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,539
know and basically so far over the past

775
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:26,399
four years since I've been working you

776
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:28,020
know on this Doc and meeting great

777
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:29,279
people like you and the whole wonderful

778
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,539
UFO community

779
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,240
I have been presented with data backed

780
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:36,360
up over and over and and then timing

781
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:39,299
that with what happened with um uh you

782
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:42,600
know in in December unless the Keynes

783
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:45,539
um wonderful article on Rob Blumenthal

784
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:48,419
um it it it's a whole new world and so

785
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:49,980
you guys were the kind of the Vanguard

786
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:53,940
in a way and so what I what I feel from

787
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:55,500
you and and what we've talked about

788
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:58,380
beforehand is how this does change you

789
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:00,299
and it doesn't just change you like it

790
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,520
opens up your mind but you're saying

791
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,279
you're purporting to to say that this

792
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:06,960
feels like

793
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:09,600
um you almost have kind of Clairvoyance

794
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:12,059
into certain interests

795
00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:13,620
that you had that you did not have

796
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,500
before if you can Define that for us I

797
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:19,440
would describe it as a clarity

798
00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:21,720
because when I did my geological

799
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,179
research I I didn't have a geology

800
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:26,640
background but somehow I was able to

801
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:28,500
describe the geomorphology of those

802
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:30,059
mountains and how the landslides

803
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,980
occurred in a way that no one had ever

804
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,240
done it

805
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:36,120
and I I even had a

806
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,889
very senior geologist come back and say

807
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:44,880
Hey Kevin your ability to read geology

808
00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:46,919
is incredible

809
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:48,779
what makes you want to jump on this

810
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,100
mystery because it is a mystery it's

811
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:51,600
been around forever what made you want

812
00:31:54,669 --> 00:31:52,860
to jump on it

813
00:31:57,470 --> 00:31:54,679
on what

814
00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:57,480
theological that the bald eagle uh

815
00:32:02,269 --> 00:32:01,020
survey because well because my this

816
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:02,279
thing changes you and at the time I

817
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:04,380
didn't realize it I just had always had

818
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:05,820
an interest in that because my family

819
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:08,039
was back there and spent a lot of years

820
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:10,919
back there so I want I wanted to go back

821
00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:13,380
I had I became possessed with the idea

822
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,419
and when I was back there my grandfather

823
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:17,039
had told me something that I started

824
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,360
thinking about he said Kevin you don't

825
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,700
understand I said what sir they said we

826
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,320
weren't we weren't gold padding and

827
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,200
Mining um nuggets and to kill my type

828
00:32:29,090 --> 00:32:27,120
bench gravel stuff we we were actually

829
00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:29,100
getting gold dust and it was so fine we

830
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:31,460
probably lost more than we ever found

831
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:35,399
so tell me about what this is exactly

832
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:37,320
and then you can it's a pleasure mining

833
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:39,419
claim it's 168 your place reminding

834
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,919
claim with a couple creeps going through

835
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:43,440
it out in the wilderness

836
00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:46,260
for mining gold certain yeah it was a

837
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,419
gold mining claim yeah okay so just a

838
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:50,760
gold mining so I started thinking about

839
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,200
down there and I'm thinking Gold Dust

840
00:32:56,570 --> 00:32:54,240
right so I I put two and two together

841
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,580
and I figured out that our mining claim

842
00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:58,260
is actually associated with a much

843
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,520
larger geology called the

844
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,140
josephinofiolite

845
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,840
and what an opioid is

846
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:06,120
is normally at the spreading arcs when

847
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,559
those it's really heavy ground because

848
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,120
there's hydrothermal vents and there's

849
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,000
they're laying layers of minerals and

850
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:14,100
when that that heavy ground goes towards

851
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,600
continental plates they usually gets

852
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:17,460
subducted because they're so darn heavy

853
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,559
right but when they get stuck on dry

854
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,600
land it's called an opioid and that's

855
00:33:24,889 --> 00:33:23,220
what we got here and it goes from

856
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:24,899
Northern California to Southern

857
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:27,480
Washington as far as I can tell

858
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,299
and it's likely loaded with trillions

859
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:33,059
with a capital t a rare earth

860
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:36,059
I'm not talking billions and and I base

861
00:33:39,789 --> 00:33:37,799
and I base that just on the type of

862
00:33:42,769 --> 00:33:39,799
geology it is remember what this is

863
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,779
hydrothermal vents spreading Arts laying

864
00:33:47,389 --> 00:33:45,120
down mineral deposits based on the type

865
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,399
of geology and the size of it

866
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:49,440
this could easily be one of the largest

867
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:51,899
now minable and I'll tell you how

868
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:53,159
minable now

869
00:33:58,430 --> 00:33:56,700
deposits ever found on the planet so to

870
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:58,440
kind of bring it all up to speed

871
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:00,600
um time went on

872
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:03,299
um this whole story broke the deer moon

873
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:05,460
mission came out with Elon Musk and um

874
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:07,559
ew out of Japan they're going to take a

875
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:09,060
SpaceX flight around the mood and come

876
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:11,639
home and they offered a civilian seat so

877
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:14,040
I said what the hell I'll apply and so I

878
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:16,379
send them all the research that I sent

879
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:19,619
you and I and I with the suggestion hey

880
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:21,720
using your new tunneling boring

881
00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:23,099
technology that you're using to put

882
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:25,639
those tunnels in from LA to Las Vegas

883
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:28,260
you might repurpose them and actually

884
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,020
mine this opio-like formation from below

885
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,540
the grout and never touch the wilderness

886
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:35,520
and I was I was outside the house four

887
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:37,859
days later and I noticed a really weird

888
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,960
jet going back and forth back and forth

889
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:41,280
back and forth a little over the right

890
00:34:46,609 --> 00:34:43,859
over the Wilderness what the hell

891
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,619
never happens it turned out to be it was

892
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:48,960
a nasty flight on a geodetic mission I

893
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:51,720
swear to God really they checked out my

894
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:55,200
research man interesting timing yep well

895
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:57,000
it's not it's not a mystery what

896
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:00,060
happened here is it no

897
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:02,820
so I think it's pretty clear yeah so

898
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:05,220
where are you at right now that's the

899
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:07,320
good news is it encounters with these

900
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:09,540
things and I'm not saying that

901
00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:10,920
um

902
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:12,839
one of the researchers that told me like

903
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:14,940
this he said Kevin think about it like

904
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:16,500
this there could be 20 people on the

905
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:18,900
bridge of the ship and everyone sees the

906
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:22,200
UFO but only one of them's affected

907
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,880
that's just the nature of it some people

908
00:35:27,069 --> 00:35:26,040
are affected profoundly and some people

909
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:27,079
aren't

910
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,339
and I don't have the answer I don't know

911
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:31,920
but I do know it can change you

912
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:33,060
profoundly

913
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,599
because I and here's my fear what if

914
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:38,339
there was a mass sighting

915
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:39,960
all over the planet a lot once and

916
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:41,640
everyone on the planet started changing

917
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,320
and no one knew why

918
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:45,599
and maybe not even maybe not just humans

919
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,180
because what I think happens is I think

920
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:50,160
the vibration of these things Tunes up

921
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:52,440
the synapses in our brains and that's

922
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:54,060
where the new talents and abilities and

923
00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:55,619
ideas come from because our brains

924
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:57,960
improve function

925
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,740
in existing things within us are now we

926
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,359
can now see them and we can use them now

927
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:05,339
but what if the same thing happened to

928
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,710
well Dr Linda um the brain maybe gets

929
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:15,119
tuned up by these maybe I don't know Dr

930
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:16,980
Linda Zimmerman

931
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:18,660
um she

932
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:21,480
um discovered that uh animals are

933
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,160
greatly affected by this and because

934
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,099
they they seem to have yeah precognition

935
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,079
when it comes to like they know when

936
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,480
their Master is coming home

937
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:32,400
um the owner's coming home you know

938
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,220
blocks minutes away sometimes the

939
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:37,920
Childtime is yep yeah there are stories

940
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:40,500
of she tells us great story of at a toll

941
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,560
booth this guy who shows up at work that

942
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:45,780
told both worker and he looks out and he

943
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:49,440
sees all of these dead rabbits that are

944
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,240
in this Meadow and he's looking at them

945
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,280
all and he's wondering how what what

946
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,920
took these rabbits out

947
00:36:59,450 --> 00:36:57,480
and then all of a sudden he hears this

948
00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,460
this like vibration and he looks up and

949
00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:01,800
he sees there's a craft

950
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:03,960
and he's looking at this thing and it

951
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,320
slowly flies over Glides over disappears

952
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:10,320
and one by one the rabbits all get up

953
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:13,380
and hop away

954
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:16,500
wow so it is an insane story and she's

955
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:18,119
got several stories like that she

956
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,859
actually has a book that covers uh

957
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:22,320
covers that so we're all everything

958
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:28,510
whales too

959
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,460
yeah when this happened in November

960
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:34,320
for I had this odd feeling there was

961
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:35,820
some connection with the whales when the

962
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:38,220
Tic Tac thing was going down and I I

963
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,540
didn't share it with anyone it was just

964
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:41,280
on my mind because

965
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:42,780
I used to like to watch the wells

966
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:44,280
because I spent so much time out there

967
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,619
right you know at that time of year so I

968
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,780
was thinking it was just a natural thing

969
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,520
especially when uh Commander friends

970
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:52,500
that comes on the radio and says uh

971
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:54,119
Charlie we may have a downed air crafter

972
00:37:56,770 --> 00:37:55,740
that's when they saw the disturbance in

973
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,780
the water

974
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:59,280
still don't know what it was Tic Tacs

975
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,079
like darting all around the top of it

976
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,599
right so we we left that out but what

977
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:05,520
what Commander flavor was going out to

978
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:07,020
initially look at was it looked like it

979
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:08,760
appeared that there was a down craft in

980
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:10,920
the water yeah it was kind of a cross

981
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:13,260
structure we're like oh man so we start

982
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,820
we started activating all of our search

983
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,560
and rescue procedures and everything and

984
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:18,240
then he comes back says disregard

985
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:20,339
disregard some some sort of sea life

986
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,960
yeah

987
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,760
so so you were talking about the whales

988
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,140
so you feel like the whales were

989
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:27,839
affected I do yeah that's well that's my

990
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:31,619
personal speculation that yeah I do you

991
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:32,700
were talking about

992
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:35,220
um brains being vibrated by these I

993
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,540
think the whales who have such a big

994
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,920
head you know so

995
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:40,320
they probably know him better than we do

996
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:42,300
probably because

997
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,740
um you know they're just going about

998
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,300
their life and they're traveling much

999
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,800
more out there I mean I mean the fact is

1000
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:49,200
for me you know and I've been an

1001
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:52,260
armchair you know a researcher if you

1002
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:53,280
will

1003
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,900
um at this before the last four years

1004
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,359
before I got sucked into the rabbit hole

1005
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:00,960
um no one really considered the water

1006
00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:03,060
and going under the water and that these

1007
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:04,820
you know under underwater submersibles

1008
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,740
are reported you know just as much by

1009
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:09,359
those who are in there I think they call

1010
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:11,579
them fast Runners

1011
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:15,300
um and um you know astronomer uh uh Mark

1012
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:16,920
dantonio has a great story about being

1013
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,619
on a sub when they you know encountered

1014
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,200
one of those and and that's a whole

1015
00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:23,520
other thing when you know when you look

1016
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,579
at the world and you say okay well you

1017
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:28,560
know most of it's covered with water so

1018
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,119
what is going underneath there the only

1019
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:32,460
thing that I'm confused about

1020
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,380
um and maybe uh you know you have an

1021
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,720
opinion or Mark d'antonio has an opinion

1022
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:39,359
on it is how are these things moving

1023
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,400
in the water so fast faster than a

1024
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:42,800
torpedo

1025
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:45,540
I'm glad you asked about this because in

1026
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:48,359
2004 when this thing went from right in

1027
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:51,780
front of fast Eagle to the cap station

1028
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,460
I think that was a message to be

1029
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:55,440
understood later

1030
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,780
and it just so happens that I was the

1031
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,240
one that perhaps maybe understood that

1032
00:40:05,089 --> 00:40:02,160
message later because when we were off

1033
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,099
SoCal when we filmed the terrorist guy

1034
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:07,980
with Caroline Corey our intent was we

1035
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:10,500
were up on that roof we had uh Quantum

1036
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:12,119
physicists we had the some of the Top

1037
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,859
Gear on the planet to find these things

1038
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:16,079
we had trained observers we had a film

1039
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,359
crew Our intention was to find and

1040
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,280
record this stuff and guess what

1041
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,599
happened

1042
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:24,240
they showed up with bells on and you've

1043
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,380
if you've seen the movie you know what

1044
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:27,200
I'm talking about a terror in the sky

1045
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,839
so I I think intention itself

1046
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:33,359
is the missing link here and so I

1047
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:34,619
started thinking about that okay

1048
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:36,540
intention

1049
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:38,700
and let me I have a question

1050
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:40,619
and this is where this is where my my

1051
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:43,020
thought analysis has drawn me to

1052
00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:45,480
we all described to the Big Bang

1053
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:47,339
I mean pretty much I was pretty

1054
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:49,220
confident to say that most science

1055
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:52,260
thinks there was a big bang but I have a

1056
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:53,640
question about the big bang and I'm not

1057
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:54,599
going to talk I'm not talking about

1058
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:57,780
religion this is a physics question it

1059
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,900
truly is was the Big Bang intentional or

1060
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:03,599
was it unintentional

1061
00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:07,440
right so in my opinion

1062
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:08,099
um

1063
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:10,740
it it's it always

1064
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:13,320
it always seems here's my point here's

1065
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,780
my point before you answer that sure

1066
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:18,300
I have to assign it 50 50 because if

1067
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,099
someone knows the answer please stand up

1068
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,920
and say hey it's 51.49 or whatever and

1069
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:25,140
you know I'll I'll entertain it but

1070
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:27,000
until that happens it's 50 50. now

1071
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:29,460
listen now given that there's a 50

1072
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:34,079
chance that our universe is an intended

1073
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:35,040
universe

1074
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,060
what might that look like and and in the

1075
00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:41,160
case with not intention itself have had

1076
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:43,619
to have survived the Big Bang to become

1077
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:47,040
a fundamental Force just like gravity

1078
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:49,320
well when you say strong and weak

1079
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:50,760
nuclear force

1080
00:41:56,089 --> 00:41:52,920
you know I could name all the forces

1081
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,099
I think intention became a force in both

1082
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:59,040
Newtonian and non and non-Newtonian

1083
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,660
and that's what these things are

1084
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:02,640
engineered from they're engineered from

1085
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:03,960
a school of physics we didn't know

1086
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:05,339
anything about

1087
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:06,900
they're they're engineered from the

1088
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,420
school of physics is based on intention

1089
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:11,400
so if you're saying that this is all

1090
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:13,320
based on intention the Big Bang Yeah and

1091
00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:15,960
what you're really talking about is

1092
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,839
um uh you're talking about a Divine

1093
00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:21,119
intelligence I'm saying Divine but in

1094
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:24,599
intelligence that that intended intended

1095
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,180
this to to be created this to be

1096
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,099
experienced in the physical world

1097
00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:31,380
because remember we've got all these

1098
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:32,940
different worlds where there's the you

1099
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,140
know the astral plain different

1100
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,079
dimensions Etc so for the one that we're

1101
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:39,839
in I'm always curious what about the

1102
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:41,880
other Universe next to us or the other

1103
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:44,700
dimension next to us is that that also

1104
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,640
have that better on experience but I

1105
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,200
like to believe I mean if you're asking

1106
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:52,200
me my personal belief is that um I don't

1107
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:54,900
think anything happens by accident

1108
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,060
um I feel like

1109
00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:59,220
basically what we're looking at here is

1110
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:01,079
something that we've all agreed on a

1111
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:03,000
chair looks like this a hat looks like

1112
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,980
this you look like that we're

1113
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:07,079
experiencing this

1114
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:09,420
um and you know then the question is why

1115
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,220
that's what I always followed up with so

1116
00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:13,680
I'm curious for you why

1117
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:20,450
you know I used to when this

1118
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,380
for there was a there was a short time

1119
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,839
when I used to ask why me I mean I was

1120
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:26,700
just a watch standard you know what the

1121
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:29,220
hell what I didn't choose to do this to

1122
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:31,800
happen to me but after a while I stopped

1123
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,400
asking why and now I ask how instead

1124
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:37,560
How can I

1125
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:40,020
help to bring the truth out

1126
00:43:43,809 --> 00:43:41,940
from this point forward that's what I'm

1127
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,819
focused on Dean

1128
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:46,079
and one of my one of my recommendations

1129
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,300
my recommendations before Congress given

1130
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,640
the opportunity is public education

1131
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,579
about this thing the the need for site

1132
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:55,920
field team science teams to go out and I

1133
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,440
and there's I have a special mission in

1134
00:44:01,550 --> 00:44:00,240
mind for that I want to talk to you

1135
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:01,560
offline

1136
00:44:08,089 --> 00:44:03,240
and

1137
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,099
people people keep asking Kevin you're

1138
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:09,599
going to ask for conversation you lost

1139
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:11,160
the second career out of this man you

1140
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:12,180
lost you

1141
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:14,339
you lost a wife of 25 years and on and

1142
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:16,859
on and on you asked for something and I

1143
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:18,180
said nope

1144
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:21,240
as a matter of fact my my goal is to

1145
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,460
bury the hatchet on this for everyone

1146
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:25,380
let's finally bury the hatchet on this

1147
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:28,140
so it's okay to talk about

1148
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,700
um and the reason why I feel that way

1149
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,400
Dean because I Kevin D I cannot point to

1150
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:34,560
anyone in government and say they cause

1151
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:36,780
me harm or just saying that they cause

1152
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:37,740
me harm

1153
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:39,960
therefore they owe me something

1154
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,900
I can't do that honestly I can't there's

1155
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:44,640
no way God's green earth I'm going to

1156
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,380
demand something from my government that

1157
00:44:50,089 --> 00:44:48,000
I don't deserve

1158
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:50,099
okay copy that I'm going to ask a

1159
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:53,579
question here that has come up as well

1160
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:56,940
um yeah yeah in 54 minutes um it's it's

1161
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,619
very hard to cover we're just starting

1162
00:45:01,849 --> 00:45:00,240
to like cut it well let's do it again

1163
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,859
yeah let's do it again

1164
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:03,599
um here's a question from Ray Nash he

1165
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,400
says do you usually have submarines

1166
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,760
during this training phase and if yes

1167
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:10,140
did they pick up anything that's a good

1168
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,750
ask the question one more time the

1169
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:16,800
question was were there submarines as

1170
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,260
part of this exercise are in that in

1171
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:20,640
that general area that's what's

1172
00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:23,400
happening they pick up anything yes the

1173
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:26,339
answer is yes yep really what are they

1174
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,370
I don't know for certainty but I believe

1175
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:34,200
the data was taken for that too

1176
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:36,420
yeah but I don't I don't I don't have

1177
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,700
that did you talk to them and find out

1178
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:40,560
what what they might have recorded and

1179
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:46,870
um form of what is in the form of uh

1180
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:50,339
radar well knowing the reason is because

1181
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,020
at the time we didn't

1182
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:55,440
think anything had gone into the water

1183
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:57,780
the object stayed about 50 feet above

1184
00:46:01,790 --> 00:46:00,180
the water and then took off it never

1185
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:01,800
actually went into the water as far as

1186
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:03,720
we could tell on radar

1187
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,700
it wasn't our situational awareness that

1188
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,920
anything had gone in the water so sonar

1189
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:09,420
wasn't really a

1190
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,880
a part of the um

1191
00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:13,500
what was that you know the script that

1192
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:14,760
was playing out

1193
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:18,720
the equation yeah so

1194
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:21,060
um I want to ask you

1195
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:24,180
um you had said in May of 2020 um you

1196
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,579
stated on Alejandro rojas's showdown of

1197
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:29,520
Geeks that you and the UAP tax team

1198
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:33,839
um uapx Team uh suspected there might be

1199
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:36,060
a pattern of these crafts appearing in

1200
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:37,740
the same southern California coast

1201
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:41,220
airspace at the same time did you get a

1202
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:43,380
chance to prove this hypothesis um you

1203
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,060
know why do you think that these objects

1204
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,280
would return to the same location the

1205
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:49,800
same time of the year yours was November

1206
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:51,780
so maybe it was because Thanksgiving

1207
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:55,280
Black Friday sale type of thing

1208
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,200
good question I love that

1209
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,720
I love essential humor

1210
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:02,400
um well we picked November because

1211
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:03,960
that's when the Tic Tac thing went down

1212
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,540
November and and I had convinced enough

1213
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:08,280
of us that there was some something to

1214
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,020
do with the whales

1215
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:11,760
and there was nothing there was nothing

1216
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:14,099
beyond that in terms of brilliant idea

1217
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,540
or anything that I mean that's the

1218
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:17,579
reason why we chose November

1219
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:19,800
so when you came back did did it work

1220
00:47:24,589 --> 00:47:22,140
did you see not only

1221
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:24,599
um these contacts these these uaps but

1222
00:47:30,589 --> 00:47:27,420
were they in the same Maneuvers were

1223
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:30,599
they the same amount of them

1224
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,400
um

1225
00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:33,960
well you you've seen that Caroline

1226
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,900
Corey's movie tearing this guy

1227
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:38,880
um we were set up and we had a team on

1228
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:41,220
Catalina Island we had a team over there

1229
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:43,800
on the beach on the you know a flat roof

1230
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:46,560
on the house right there on the beach

1231
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,660
constant ungodly amount to rent by the

1232
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,460
way and also going to get a report from

1233
00:47:54,589 --> 00:47:52,440
Catalina I got something I got something

1234
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:54,599
everyone comes running up we we get

1235
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,560
everything up and um a hole opens up in

1236
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:00,540
the sky literally

1237
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:04,319
in five objects that we got on radar

1238
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:10,430
yep and that's why that's why the name

1239
00:48:13,569 --> 00:48:11,880
of this movie is called the terror in

1240
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:13,579
this guy yeah

1241
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,960
I mean people are calling it a wormhole

1242
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:18,420
but I don't I mean we of course we don't

1243
00:48:22,609 --> 00:48:20,460
know you tell me what it was I don't

1244
00:48:25,210 --> 00:48:22,619
know yeah they showed up they showed up

1245
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:25,220
for us yep yeah

1246
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:28,740
a great demonstration I know and oh by

1247
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:31,260
the way let me let me we had a Quantum

1248
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:33,540
physicist on that roof with us we have

1249
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:37,319
600 600 plus hours of data

1250
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,540
of what happened that's currently being

1251
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:42,000
analyzed in their academic papers that

1252
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:44,280
are now being written and hopefully will

1253
00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:45,900
be out before too long

1254
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:49,079
about what we found well speaking of of

1255
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,240
coming out to the public

1256
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,000
um I hear I hear tales that there's

1257
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:57,119
another UFO Congressional hearing coming

1258
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:59,220
and that someone that we know might be

1259
00:49:02,030 --> 00:49:01,260
going talking about

1260
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,040
yeah

1261
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,599
um Michael Hall

1262
00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:05,520
um our attorney from

1263
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:08,280
uh uapx days is my pro bono attorney

1264
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:09,720
he's in direct contact with

1265
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:12,420
representative Carson's office

1266
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:15,839
and um I'm hopeful that I'll be called

1267
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:19,560
to testify at the next round now be

1268
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,940
mindful that it's gonna it's probably

1269
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,920
not gonna be it's gonna be um later

1270
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,480
rather than sooner because of everything

1271
00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:25,920
that's going on with elections and all

1272
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:27,960
the other stuff that's happening now and

1273
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,579
I think that's the right answer I mean

1274
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,200
let's take our time and do this right

1275
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:33,359
get the right people up there and not

1276
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:35,819
make a circus out of it you know and get

1277
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:37,380
to the bottom of this with some decent

1278
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:46,910
do I look like I'm lying to you man

1279
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,140
enough in any way shape or form man this

1280
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:51,839
thing happened and it it changes you it

1281
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:54,960
it can change it doesn't change everyone

1282
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,079
but it can change you profoundly so what

1283
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:00,900
are you hoping that the the theme of

1284
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,700
this second meeting

1285
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,319
uh I think I think there will be

1286
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:06,720
legislation in it in addition to the

1287
00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:09,180
Whistleblower legislation that just got

1288
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,460
passed which is awesome

1289
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:12,960
I don't know if everyone's heard about

1290
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:15,000
that but it protects people coming out

1291
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,680
say hey I saw UFO while they're at work

1292
00:50:20,329 --> 00:50:18,900
you know that type of stuff yeah you

1293
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:20,339
know they won't lose their job out of it

1294
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:23,700
like certain other people have

1295
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:27,119
so in addition I mean that's a good way

1296
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:30,180
but I want three things I want um

1297
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,000
funding for education

1298
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:35,520
let's we got to educate the planet on

1299
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:37,140
what's about to happen

1300
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:39,000
in my view

1301
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:41,220
I think it's about to happen I and why I

1302
00:50:46,609 --> 00:50:44,040
don't know but I I know how we can get

1303
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:46,619
ready for it let's educate people that's

1304
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:48,780
what I want and number two I want

1305
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,079
funding for uh field teams for doing

1306
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:54,480
more data collection let's go out and

1307
00:50:59,390 --> 00:50:57,000
figure out what the hell this is

1308
00:51:01,790 --> 00:50:59,400
and be real about it let's sober up and

1309
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:01,800
figure out put our pants on buckle up

1310
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,380
and get it done right and number three I

1311
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:06,599
want to bury the hatchet

1312
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:09,180
I want to make it okay to talk about if

1313
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:10,500
you haven't experience that you don't

1314
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,020
have to feel shy anymore

1315
00:51:17,809 --> 00:51:15,200
you're taking the kids to school

1316
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,819
and you and your kids see this thing

1317
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:19,680
that you can't explain in the car now

1318
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,000
guess what you can go home and talk

1319
00:51:26,530 --> 00:51:23,040
about it without everyone in the

1320
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:29,030
necessarily you know

1321
00:51:32,569 --> 00:51:31,500
yeah that's what I want three simple

1322
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:32,579
things

1323
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:36,000
so I'm curious how we're going to be

1324
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:37,859
able to track

1325
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:39,960
um the difference between open

1326
00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:42,359
communication between Witnesses where

1327
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:44,339
there's no ridicule and uh and no

1328
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,380
repercussions I'm curious how we're

1329
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:48,119
going to track that we're you know going

1330
00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:49,500
to track those reports that come in I

1331
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:51,720
know that John Greenwald will be doing

1332
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:54,420
foia's left and right if if you know

1333
00:51:58,970 --> 00:51:56,760
well we have other we have other um

1334
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:58,980
people protection laws in place like

1335
00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:00,780
sexual harassment policy and stuff like

1336
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:02,700
that this would probably be enforced

1337
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:04,380
along the same type of law you know same

1338
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,859
way it would take someone um to file

1339
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:10,079
file a complaint and then it goes you

1340
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:11,579
know goes through the process and that

1341
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:14,460
just like any other

1342
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,059
um Personnel policy in law yeah that's

1343
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:20,880
how I see it would play out

1344
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:22,740
yep

1345
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:24,420
um do you think that there's a an

1346
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,180
alternate universe where

1347
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:29,400
Kevin day doesn't see this

1348
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:32,339
doesn't have this experience

1349
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,260
um and

1350
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,119
and how does that

1351
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:38,160
factor in how much of this has has

1352
00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:39,720
changed you like did you feel like you

1353
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:41,099
were on a trajectory and all of a sudden

1354
00:52:45,770 --> 00:52:42,900
it changed and

1355
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:45,780
well um my thoughts on Alternate

1356
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,859
universes

1357
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:49,500
I have to imagine that if if intention

1358
00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:51,660
caused the big bang and it created our

1359
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,579
our universe

1360
00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:56,640
there's at least a 50 50 chance that an

1361
00:53:03,109 --> 00:52:59,700
alternate one was created to

1362
00:53:05,089 --> 00:53:03,119
so I I have to say 50 50 chance

1363
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:05,099
what you just asked me is true

1364
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:07,260
because I don't know otherwise yeah but

1365
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,760
I have a reason

1366
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:10,559
I have a way to think that it could be

1367
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:13,140
possible by what I've shown you

1368
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:14,940
yeah because it all goes back to

1369
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:15,900
intention

1370
00:53:19,549 --> 00:53:17,700
that's the answer that's the missing

1371
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:19,559
Linker

1372
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:22,920
these things are because they're they're

1373
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:24,540
aware how in the hell are these things

1374
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:27,960
aware you know and and intent an

1375
00:53:32,349 --> 00:53:31,079
intention based object explains that

1376
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,359
yeah

1377
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:35,040
and looked at him

1378
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,800
because like uh gravity has gravitons

1379
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:40,020
the force carrier for gravity is

1380
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:41,579
gravitons

1381
00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:45,660
or so similarly the force carrier for

1382
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:48,599
intention would be in intentatons

1383
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:50,940
all right we need another hour

1384
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:54,119
um we need to wrap up and do a part two

1385
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,160
brother but um it's been so great

1386
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,319
talking with you uh especially again

1387
00:54:02,270 --> 00:54:00,900
thanks for having me this new Venture of

1388
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:02,280
yours very excited about it please keep

1389
00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:04,020
us posted thank you Kim for saving it

1390
00:54:07,309 --> 00:54:04,980
for us

1391
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:07,319
yeah she said she saved our butts on

1392
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,300
that one we hey for everyone listen We

1393
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,800
Made It by three minutes getting online

1394
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:13,140
so

1395
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,420
Kevin thank you again my friend I love

1396
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:17,760
you man love you brother wish the best

1397
00:54:25,809 --> 00:54:19,980
of luck we'll talk soon all right bye

1398
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,430
all right so

1399
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:30,240
um thank you everyone for uh for

1400
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:33,420
listening and uh and for being a patient

1401
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:37,859
as I um host my first podcast and um

1402
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,680
looking forward to uh um giving you more

1403
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:42,960
updates on uh Martin and how he's doing

1404
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,720
but um he seems to be doing fine he was

1405
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:47,760
watching the show and and doing his own

1406
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:49,619
commentary on it

1407
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,680
um and so uh love you Martin uh Bill

1408
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:55,260
thank you so much brother uh appreciate

1409
00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:57,900
it as well and uh we're gonna sign off

1410
00:55:02,990 --> 00:55:00,300
uh right now and so uh the next time I

1411
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:03,000
see you guys is going to be actually in

1412
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:06,300
um Northampton Massachusetts for

1413
00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:10,920
um uh for Randy nickerson's premiere of

1414
00:55:14,990 --> 00:55:13,079
aerial phenomenon there may still be

1415
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:15,000
tickets for that available as well so

1416
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,800
that's a Friday and Saturday night we're

1417
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,720
going to be filming there

1418
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:20,640
um it'll be Saturday probably East Coast

1419
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:24,240
time around 8 50 9 p.m that's going to

1420
00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:25,200
be great because there's going to be a

1421
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:26,520
panel there

1422
00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:28,440
um Whitley streber is going to be uh

1423
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:31,740
zoomed in and um a few other folks and

1424
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:35,400
some surprises so um thanks again and

1425
00:55:39,850 --> 00:55:37,500
keep watching the skies

1426
00:55:49,170 --> 00:55:39,860
bye